and we have not been through, when two-thirds of the federal government has shut down. >> adam, adam, this is it, charlie put it it in a nutshell, the scare tactic, that we're obligated to this mountain of debt until it falls on top of us, if that's the only route we have. >> we are, but let me try to put this in perspective. i absolutely agree with you, charles, politicians should be prepared to lose their jobs on major issues. there comes a gut check time. i'm going to do what's right. now, the question is, is this that time? i don't think delays the debt ceiling issue for three months, for punting, which it absolutely is, is the worst thing in the world. here is why, the economy is growing, housing is recovering and we're going to get a little bit of relief here. as the economy grows, we hope that-- we're going to-- >> adam. >> the problem that you have adam, as the economy is growing, and we're coming slowly out of this recession, you've got more taxes coming, payroll taxes are going up and you're going to have the higher rates, ben says is great, rich need to pay more, but basica